Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. The Molecule Man and Galactus that Spider-Man defeated with the powers. ultimatewarrior123. The One Above All. You can't claim the same about Asura's. No. London, UK. I really don't want to believe. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. Marvel has stated that Beyonder is the TOAA of his own reality and the Marvel Universe is only a droplet of water compared to that reality or something to that effect. 15. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was ever a thought. If that's true, the Presence would be way weaker then PR Beyonder. very mutch doubt that. After his creator, Jim Shooter left Marvel, writer-editor Tom DeFalco, displeased with. He couldn't erase Death. He is talking about TOAA, not PR Beyonder. A universe that is more powerful. Kuuko273. Post-Retcon Beyonder on the other hand is only a Cube Being, so is much weaker. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. The Beyonder (pre-retcon) vs The Great Darkness (dark crisis) The most powerful antagonist Marvel ever created vs the latest and greatest existential threat in. #1 Edited By gokupwnzalllol. Yeah PR Beyonder is completely broken Reply [deleted] • Additional comment actions. As stated, numerous times throughout secret wars and in separate interviews with the creator (shooter) the beyond realm (and thus the beyonder's power) was MILLIONS OF TIMES greater than the marvel multiverse (again, Pre retcon this is ALL of marvel and. I haven't been keeping up, but that sounds interesting. The BeyondersVS. So because of Doom holding back, Michael can win. If TOAA comes to DC and try to challenge The Presence , TOAA will lose since he won't be omnipotent anymore. PR Beyonder is avobe angels and HOTU Thanos is at presence level as I read in "The End" comics. Doom. I'm not sure that PR MM is as strong as TLT because even when PR Beyonder and PR MM fought and stalemated, Beyonder as stated by MM only used a fraction of his power. She surpasses him in raw power by far. Win by death, KO, incap. 4 years ago. Alot of people seem to have hard time giving HOM Wanda her due. User Lists: 0 #6 Edited By Crom-Cruach. If that's true, the Presence would be way weaker then PR Beyonder. EDIT: About Beyonder being gullible and "getting his power's stolen". PR Beyonder was TOAA in the beyond realm. PR Beyonder with PR Molecule man can beat the crap out of everyone. Beyonder would laugh and blink it out of existence. So just assume that this the PR version of the Beyond realm. Posts. All are at maximum power fight is to the death or ko. Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man should also stomp IG Thanos. PF wont last 1 minute in the fight. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. His power was millions of times greater than all of Marvel combined. Marvel (and DC for that matter) didn’t have anythin beyond Multiverses back then in their cosmology. Meanwhile, the Presence is said to have been created by external forces and is. Alot of people seem to have hard time giving HOM Wanda her due. Forum Posts. PR Beyonder wins. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Decoy Elite: Hey,Disco suits were B. Trigon took over 12 universes as a child and destroyed countless more. [deleted]Join Date. As well as being compared to Pre Crisis Spectre, who dwarfs Odin, to Galactus and classic Exitar levels. Manhattan's league. Doctor Manhattan couldn't really affect the Beyonder with any of his powers while the Beyonder can break the laws of nature and. Following Secret Wars and Secret Wars II, the Beyonder experienced many notable retcons. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. 13 years agoAnything they can do the PR beyonder can do if not even do better. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine Pages@Pr_Beyonder said: " Remember Beyonder's omniscient so. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. PR Beyonder learns about his future self in Marvel (being a jobber) and is pissed off. @eredin12: solar system level is roughly 150 times star level if you use our sun and solar. A character debated as though his guns can kill the beyonder, one of the few characters people consider to be able to take on the beyonder or hurt the beyonder. . #1 Edited By gokupwnzalllol. This is the original seven and the battle takes place onWhat characters in the Marvel Universe could defeat Michael Demiurgos?Even though Pr Beyonder was published/written by Marvel he was not meant to be a Marvel entity, but an entity outside of the Marvel Actuality - in essence his own Actuality. Bait? 1 year ago. Followers. After his creator, Jim Shooter left Marvel, writer-editor Tom DeFalco, displeased with. He. Not remotely. The Beyonders that killed all the Celestials then proceeded to shit on all the cosmic beings like The Living Tribunals. 7. Follow 3068. Exists alongside all of Heaven in Creation inside of the story. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. The Beyonder is an infamous member of the Beyonder race. Basically this. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPR-Beyonder being from outside of the Living Tribunals domain (whoch he has ultimate judgement over) was really his only weakness. 0. m outperformed beyonder,, And in Alan Moore’s watchmen, dr. where an argument can be made for either CAS or PR Beyonder. No BFRs and the battle takes place in the forge of creation. 2. Beyonder wins this, Lucifer along with his brother Michael are equal to LT, and PR Beyonder is better than LT any day of the week. Having incubated. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @AtPhantom said: "The wiki is kinda correct, since he gained the power of omega beams when he acquired the effect. 4 years ago. A fraction is still much more power than basic reality warping. PR Beyonder is literally beyond the abilities of all things within the Marvel-verse combined. Roshi in a heartbeat. Yes: PR beyonder, PR molecule man, toaa, toba, toba. 0. Weakest character that would beat him for a majority is PR Beyonder. the beyonder is literally the embodiment of a universe which dwarfs the mainstream multiverse, so he can do the same thing for the multiverse, but not all of marvel (since marvel is an omniverse. Wiki Points. u/nullfather can attest to that. @laflux said: MOM. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with. 5. Magic, on the other hand, is stuff you can’t do with science, it’s the realm of basically gods in Fate. 3rd. Lucifer & Michael vs PR Beyonder will be a better match-up. New Comics. And Secret Wars Beyonder would annihilate all versions. PR-Beyonder easily, He was (literally) the multiverse outside of marvel, the beyond realm, everything was him and he was everything basically. Round 2: Thanos has 1 year. Martian (Martian Manhunter) 3. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. @traskindustries: He reminds me of Beyonder because of his pictures, not because. #23 Edited By MrDirector786. Marvel TeamPR Beyonder & PR Molecule Man & Oblivion & Beyonders (entire Race) & Thanos & Galactus (composite) & Abstract Ent PR Beyonder:Loved the feeling of not being omnipotent and deciced I'll spare yall. In the OG secret wars LT gathered a crew of the strongest cosmic entitities to face of PR Beyonder and couldnt do anything. PR Beyonder absolutely evaporates John Constantine from existence, then brings him back, only to evaporate him again. Oh so she was the woman people talked about when they say "Beyonder can't be defeated except by that girl who he. PR Beyonder is way beyond than Thanos with IG. Both strike an ambiguous pose when it comes to creating a universe. 0. More recently in some versions TOAA has got more anti feats that PRB in terms of power, with Thanos events involving TOAA go. Beyonder 39%. Doom with Beyonder's powers was afraid to use even half of it, as he worried it would destroy the universe. He was a way wanked character. Another thing about the. With this skill (plot manipulation), still can affect Pr beyonder. Beyonder by just being angry caused multiversal destruction. Pr beyonder blinks away a nigh omni that treat beings that treat beings that treat beings that are multiversal++ level like an outright folder right? She basically controls the plot of her verse. The guy could probably trick PR Beyonder into. Lucifer & Michael vs PR Beyonder will be a better match-up. He changed the match from ssj2 Goku vs Jin Mori to Sai vs Beyonder lol. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. PR-Beyonder easily, He was (literally) the multiverse outside of marvel, the beyond realm, everything was him and he was everything basically. He's more PR Beyonder level imo. 0. This puts Beyonder at LT+ with MM a close second, followed by the Beyonders and HOTU. 7740. The Beginners Guide To Comics:. PR Beyonder, on the other hand, treated Galactus like a bug. PR Beyonder. PR Beyonder was above all beings in marvel. The Beyonder can take on Galactus and Superman isn't as strong and he would lose. Lord Urizen. PR Beyonder > Celestials > Phoenix Force. Still "omniverse" is a nonsense. It's pretty much PR Beyonder , LT & HOTU Thanos vs Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, full power Spectre, WF Mxy & COIE Anti Monitor , with a small assist from the rest of their teams . 3rd. Phoenix is on par with those guys. Nobody in Marvel or DC aside from the Primal Monitor (DC) or TOAA (Marvel) have the slightest chance against PR Beyonder. #6 Edited By icecream1991. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Bump. 10 months ago. Both equally were sharing same body as explained in mutant x #32. One Above All Wasnt around when PR Beyonder was, people liken PRB to what TOAA would of been at the time. Holo-Man • 3 yr. Alien X is free of any indecisiveness, and both are bloodlusted. The Overvoid could be the Beyond-Realm before PR Molecule Man created a pinpoint in the Beyond-Realm to the Earth-616 universe. 0. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with kamehameha. The deciding factor imo is that Lucifer is a bloody genius. The Beyonder can take on Galactus and Superman isn't as strong and he would lose. I didn't say he was TOAA himself *face palm* BEYONDER was TOAA before TOAA existed BEYONDER was him (TOAA) in his own. In fact, God Doom, who possessed. TOAA is above Thanos with the HOTU, a writer is> the written character. And the LT he beat was undefined. PR Beyonder was the most powerful entity sans TOAA in the marvel multiverse for a time, he was pretty much able to do whatever the hell he wanted, telling The Living Tribunal to fuck off included. Followers. Representing Marvel:ThanosDr DoomPre-recton BeyondeSorry Merc. RULES:Morals off. 63 results. Originally, the Beyonder was the supreme being of another reality, dragged into the Marvel Multiverse by a failed. I don't know a. He was not aware of other Beyonders and misinterpreted his personal universe as everything in existence. . [deleted]@Pr_Beyonder said: " can't seem to edit my post anyway Pre-Retcon Beyonder and Spectre vs Storm and Batman is probably the biggest spite Hate to hate on bugs bunny but i've seen 5-D imps do. He could quite literally blink Dr Manhattan out of existence. (unless he wills himself otherwise alla Rachel Summers. He was always holding back, but it seems pr beyonder has issues with magic in marvel. Forums. is TOAA, or at least part of him. See moreJoin this channel to get access to perks:…PR Beyonder was millions of times powerful than the entire Marvel Multiverse. Phoenix is on par with those guys. User Lists: 0As for the actual two strongest in each verse, I'd maybe say PR-Beyonder vs Lucifer Morningstar/The Gentry/ The Empty Hand. And,DC cosmology is encompassed by the story of Superman CAS embodies. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is more powerful than the Living Tribunal. #12 Edited By Montaq. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. He was the TOAA of another mutliverse that came to Marvel's multiverse. The Presence. So LT + Abstracts + Ultimate Nullifier + other beings of the whole multi-verse other than Molecule. I just think with 15 minutes, they can pull something off. And with this analogy, Alovenus/Ruphas can create L1A character A in fiction A, But can easily defeated By character B In fiction B. The Beyonder was literally the most powerful entity in the Marvel universe before he was retconned. 2 years ago. Pr beyonder, ToAA, the presence, HoTU thanos. 0. 8 years ago. Manhattan's league. He's in seriouLiving Tribunal has been repeatedly demolished by reality warpers who have total control over the multiverse. PR Beyonder > Ivory Kings. Hulk tanking a hit from Beyonder is an outlier too by the way. PR Beyonder is OP, he was originally written to be THE top entity in Marvel, there's no real beating him. for PR, i'm more in line with thinking it's going to be a fight you can't imagine. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesRound 1: Thanos has 1 month. Doom, and Constantine team up, trick Presence into coming to Marvel Universe where he isn't. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. #12 Edited By Montaq. There's a few tossups though, I think the Bleach verse has the speed and skill to pull out a win here or there. Of this, The Beyonder is the Supreme Being of that Outerverse, which is orders of magnitude larger than the Infinite Multivwrse. 4 years ago. 7 years ago. but a little known dc character, part of the vertigo universe, Saints of Killers. Michael doesn't really have a lot in the way of feats, other than statements by other characters and some. Destroying the metaverse, which is stated to be. 0. Thanos with HOTU vs PR is still argued but do note all the cosmics were begging PR MM to fight Beyonder. lannfear. Nihilist. . Especially. Or that the enitre multiverse was stated to be a mere droplet of water. During PR Beyonder's time, the idea of TOAA had never been established. Follow 3313. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. Crypto@daak1212 said: "@Danilo018 said: "@Pr_Beyonder said: Juggs has become a victim of the hulk affect and is to him former self as the hulk is to Bruce He is taken to neutral plane where cyttorak can. The only real threat to him was the PR Molecule man, who challenged him to a universe breaking smack down which was pretty much a draw. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be. Although the Beyonder was retconned to a Cosmic Cube, he was retconned again into an Inhuman-Mutant, thus he lacks the feats. @asuva: @takenstew22: @shadow411: Ren and Reinhard paints the Law of the entire reality itself. The man with the blue privates exists only b/c the man from beyond allows him to. Perfect teamwork. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. That feat alone puts him solidly above Lucifer who's best "multiversal" feat was destroying the mirrors, which he didn't even do by himself. Posts. This is a massive mismatch. #1 quandaledingle. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. The Ivory Kings are still not at PRB's level, and shouldn't be regarded as his equals, let alone his superiors. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. i don,t have a pics but i do no some facts that are apparent: 1 the phoenix force has on. Friend showed me a comic on this guy about a year ago,told me it was a very popular fan- fic,I was orginally going to make this my first thread but IPre Retcon Beyonder. PR-Beyonder was broken, but still not TOAA. So who wins this epic clash to end all clashes? Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Thanos w/ Infinity Gauntlet. Doctor Manhattan is one of the most formidable beings around but his powers are all based on what it is possible. Aside from them, PR-Beyonder is the strongest being in marvel. Pr Beyonder made LT his little bitch, along with everyone else in the multiverse. No. With Marvel having beings like the LT, Protege,PR Beyonder,PR Molecule Man,Scanthan The Approver,Multi-Eternity,Oblivion,Life Bringer Galactus and many others. Follow 8649. Wiki Points. While Manhattan is a multiversal entity tribunal is. Follow 23177. Taikyoku is the beginning of all. Beyonder could honestly lose to any of the 3,but has the best chance of beating the Gentry at least 7/10. 0. Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal. Reviews. The thing is , Beyonder shrugged off a blast that "would have destroyed 1 million dimensions". Forum Posts. #1. Michael Demiurge. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. He is another universe, pre-big bang. Ite. We're talking about a guy who recreated the omniverse just by thinking about it and decimated the entire multiverse just. Gen. And the beyonders are destroying the entire Multiverse with no opposition,so they have no equal either. #1 Edited By gokupwnzalllol. Elaine seems to stomp everyone else, but can she defeat PR Beyonder? Nihilist. m99. Aside from them, PR-Beyonder is the strongest being in marvel. Living_Beyonder. PR Beyonder is way beyond than Thanos with IG. Oct 30, 2006. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. IMO, PR Beyonder can outdo anything Bill can do and more. LT's powers/status was never set, hence the whole retcon deal. Lucifer's power is stated to be infinit, and he is virtually omnipotent. what happened in the last issue of Secret Wars 2 is not a defeat. Wiki Points. This is pre-retcon Beyonder. Not only that, but the mirrors contained nothing more than aborted universes. Pokergeist. Reviews: 0. Forum Posts. OTP PR Beyonder soloes. However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. PR Beyonder is intended to be a god within another dimension but this doesn't then make him incapable of being compared to TOAA, especially because PR Beyonder would be effected by the universe. The character plays a more antagonistic role in the 1985 sequel, Secret Wars II, in which he takes human form to learn about desire but threatens to destroy the multiverse out of increasing frustration. I’m goin wit Batman. He swears he will destroy the multiverse for. And PR Beyonder is possibly the most ridiculously powerful. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. The heavy hitters for team marvel are PR beyonder, PR molecule man, post-secret wars III molecule man, living tribunal, multiversal eternity, multiversal death. Follow 6024. Reviews: 0. PR beyonder can call upon the other beyonders as well to help if he needs it. Followers. This is Beyonders not the famous PR Beyonder. Wiki Points. Perpetua, due to far surperior feats. Primal monitor has done zilch, but its implied that he was similar to PR beyonder. Round 3 and 4: Same as round 1 and 2 without Infinity Gaunlet or Heart of the Universe. this would be no different than me or you creating a character and then saying "oh look he can beat Pr Beyonder". There's a few tossups though, I think the Bleach verse has the speed and skill to pull out a win here or there. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. 815. Win by death, KO, incapPR beyonder's own assession puts him millions of times stronger than the multiverse. He killed Death for fun which still left LT powerless. " @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. This topic is locked from further discussion. To make it a shorter list, Beyonder's presence threatens the whole of the Marvel multiverse, and he sweeps aside the Living Tribunal, Galactus, Doom; everything in it basically. @Pr_Beyonder: immortal means unable to die of age or sickness Thor isn't coughing on him or waiting around for him to age to death he's smashng his head into chuncks of mushy brain 13 years ago. The Empty Hand blinks PR-Beyonder off the comic book page if he so desires and that is before he made the Oblivion Machine. 13 years ago. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with kamehameha. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Crom-Cruach said: "GL on all of them. But tbh I think Lucifer is just a smarter fighter. Yeah, but PR Beyonder had LT shaking in his wee booties. Even someone with 0 knowledge of PR Beyonder could look through that or just google and realize this is unholy in terms of the level of stomp. 10 years ago. Minor nitpick. In the OVA Z made it clear him and masaki were experiments. 0. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. 5 tons to punch a car. Iirc HotU isn’t allowed in battles given the type of power it is. Who do you think is the strongest in Marvel? Who do you think is the strongest in DC? If they fight who will win???Sure, baby 400 tonner mark LOL, also he made a weird noise just as PR Beyonder made a noise when hulk slammed him. Even The. The Beyonder First Appeared In 'Secret Wars'. He swears he will destroy the multiverse for. Molecule man, PR beyonder, post retcon beyonders, oblivion, one below all and many many more. His. LT gets rekt by beings above multiversal power, Dax Mandrakk was going to eat all of creation, including everything outside the multiverse that made the multiverse look miniscule. 2. Beyonder was either just omnipotent or the closest to it that anyone has gotten without being it. Wiki Points. There are 5 magics, and one of the 5 magicians killed the original vampire moon god. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. Just no. Forum Posts. So you cant say ToAA > Pr Beyonder. The character plays a more antagonistic role in the 1985 sequel, Secret Wars II, in which he takes human form to learn about desire but threatens to destroy the multiverse out of increasing frustration. Marvel TeamPR Beyonder & PR Molecule Man & Oblivion & Beyonders (entire Race) & Thanos & Galactus (composite) & Abstract EntPR Beyonder:Loved the feeling of not being omnipotent and deciced I'll spare yall. 4 years ago. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the Beyonder first appeared in Secret Wars #1 (May 1984) as an unseen, nigh-omnipotent being from outside the multiverse who kidnapped the heroes and villains of the Marvel. 13 years ago. RULES:Morals off. Beyonder in a curbstomp. Composite Spidey is powerful but gets pushed aside first I’d say, even wit the powers of the Beyonder race. 0. I know that Krona vs LT already exists but i havn't seen one where krona has all the items and i think it would be interresting to see them battleTakPR Beyonder is stronger than all Marvel universe and its beings combined by far. That is how PR Beyonder was described, a verse so vast, that Marvel was a drop in the. LocatiNew Comics. Knowsbleed33 says: "PR Beyonder took out a group of Celestials with ease. It's more like PR Molecule Man was in a unique situation to fight Beyonder because Molecule Man's powers were derrived from PR Beyonder's Dimension. pr beyonder was to kill death and all the abstracts (eternity,watcher,LT,galactus,mephisto,celestials) begged him but he killed death anyway. Ultra (Ultraman) 4. In the Presence's case, Perpetua can create and destroy multiverses, The Judges are above her and the Presence is above them both. Pre-Rectonned Beyonder, the most powerful multiverse Cosmic Being Marvel has ever created. Childlike and vastly powerful, he grew up in a universe created by the other Beyonders for their young. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. TOAA is above all. Here, Alden and Neon fall out of Nil after dying and land in the 6th. Hell is no where near big enough for this fight. Forum Posts. He is bigger than the multiverse, which is infinite in size. PR Beyonder (Marvel) Takes A DC Gauntlet. OrdinaryAlan. #1. Forum Posts. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder and Thanos with the Regulator both duo together to obliterate all of the other nigh-omnipotent beings in this thread. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. Beyonder has curb-stomped Celestials and even killed Death, a thing that was so irreversible that not even the most powerful of beings could fix it, besides himself. He tanks an attack that would destroy several billion dimensions like nothing from PR Molecule. Beyonder was stated to be MILLIONS of times more powerful than THE MULTI-VERSE(at the time equal to OMNI-VERSE) COMBINED. However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. 2 years ago. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. Apr 2014. The beyonders were stated to be bound by linear time. also i've read that suggsverse is basically a troll comic. But Beyonder not only owned the entire MU, he did it casually, and his reality warping makes GEB's powers a non-factor. The art work and what not is horrible. deactivated-5ee15da0e0aad. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he. Side note: I'm using this version of.